Question about money in Spain
Is your money in Spain safe?
Is it true that Spanish authorities can take or freeze money in Spanish bank accounts without reason?
How can expats trust the Spanish government if their money can be seized arbitrarily?
How do expats manage their finances in Spain while considering this risk?
How do expats gradually transition their finances to Spanish accounts if they plan to make Spain their permanent home?
Answers about money in Spain
These are the answers of some Facebook group members:
”The tax office takes monies owing to itself, and acts on behalf of other entities as a debt collector (traffic fines, local taxes etc) only after trying to contact you a number of times and also publishing its intention to take money or embargo assets. That said, people often claim quite truthfully that they were unaware of a debt. Letters have a habit of going astray and the authorities do not know where you are.That is why it is essential to ensure you receive all notifications from all public entities to your email address. This can be done very simply with a digital certificate.
The tax office has to give you the right to contest any debt or claim for money. Only possible of course if you know what they are alleging! So get yourself a digital certificate and ensure that you submit a modelo 030 to notify the tax office of any change of address or circumstances. Get yourself a good gestor to ensure you do everything right. He or she should be a member of the professional Colegios”
”To answer the question of “is there a good reason to live in Spain (if tax authorities could take your money) – sure, there are lots of good reasons, government efficiency and red tape and not the highlights. Personally, as somebody in the process of moving to Spain, I’ll hold most of funds outside Spain and only transfer in what I need on a quarterly basis. TBH holding large amounts in cash is always a loss as your money slowly loses its value, but whatever works for you personally. Everyone has their own risk profile”
”Some immigrants who come and live in Spain are on a forever holiday and never learn the language or integrate, and never bother to learn the rules of their host country. These are the ones who complain about embargoes. Because they fail to update government databases with their new address; because they refuse to get a Spanish phone number; because they don’t inform themselves of the taxes that will be due or chase up why they haven’t been taken automatically. People who are aware, careful and on the ball don’t get their accounts embargoed”
”It’s best for most to bring money in chunks and not leave it all here for people who have options This is a few things 1. Inheritance issues if something happens to you and their ability to hold the funds and tax even co owners of an account after a death. 2. Embargo. They can’t take your money for no reason BUT in a lifetime you are likely to owe some agency some money and they can freeze all you assets in all accounts in an attempt to collect and it’s inconvenient and often very different from what People are used to in other countries 3. Interest/investment you can get more of this pretty much anywhere else on the planet 4. If your TIE card expires the bank can freeze your account while it’s renewing. They give you like 30 days sometimes to upload a new card for them and it takes months and months to renew. This drives people nuts, leaves them unable to pay things like rent/basic needs and if you only had your money here you’d be in a bind for a while until your new tie is ready to show them”
”I worked in banking here for 11 years up to 2014 and have lived her for over 20 years. The only time i have seen an embargo on an account is for non payment of any type of tax or legal issues. If its still the same as when i was working your utilities will not be applied to the embargo and will be paid as long as there is sufficient in the account to pay them. You can pay in to the account but not draw out.
As soon as the owed payment is made, which will be direct from bank account. Ie taken as soon as there is enough money in the payment, the embargo is lifted. I have never heard of embargos being put on accounts willy nilly. This is what i know happened back when i worked. If i were you I would see an assesoria to get them to clarify”
”The most effective way to handle this is to keep an account in your home country and obtain a visa/mastercard through that bank, you can take cash from an atm and pay using your credit card, just pay the bill at the end of the month”
”Looking back on two years living in Spain, my biggest regret is listening to hysterical dingbats on the internet warning people about what they’ve just upset you about. It has cost me unneeded stress and also serious money— I was afraid to make a big transfer when the euro was very low, knowing I wanted to buy a home but not ready to do it yet— and it will forever make me feel like a dope giving in to people who try to spread this kind of fear.
Now I see half those people don’t even live here and have some weird hobby of trying to keep people from moving here or trying to convince them to go to Portugal or Malta or whatever. The banks do suck; mine randomly started charging me fees for my “free” account after six or eight months.
There’s definitely some system dysfunction here. But no, this is not a banana republic and the government can’t take all your money for no reason. Also learn what “marginal tax rate” means, and what an exemption is, so you can ignore all the people who don’t understand how that works, too”
”Another issue is when a couple has a joint account and one dies. I believe half the account is embargoed which can cause all sorts of issues. If you follow and understand the rules and laws of Spain (not compare to other countries) you should be fine.
I personally have heard of too many horror stories from good and close friends to ever keep my life savings in Spain. My personal account has been blocked twice for no clear reason too. Even the bank manager couldn’t explain it but it was a huge inconvenience. Of course if you fail to pay your taxes, they can and will take it”
”If your reason for living in Spain is tax avoidance, and perhaps for more buying power, then I would say No. That’s not reason enough to move here. Maybe try one of the more notorious tax havens”
”To make all of this less risky, we put money in Spanish banks that needs to be there- be it to have a little savings cushion, funds for visa renewals, or to pay bills..the initial deposits of funds and the bulk of our monies stay in wise or US bank accounts. This way, if they ever put a freeze of any kind, or for any reason, on any Spanish bank acct, we still have immediate access to the majority of our money”
”I’ve heard of a couple people whose bank accounts got locked but it’s usually because they didn’t update their TIE information after it expired. We have been so happy with the banks here. We have Caixa and they have refunded all the fees that popped up when we first opened the account. And we’ve never seen another one. They’re great”
”You need to keep a source of funds from outside the country because they can embargo even when it is their fault, has happened to me twice in 8 years, quite shocking the powers they have. I avoid it now by making everything possible direct debit”
”I got my account frozen because I didn’t update my ID card in time. Couldn’t access my money at all over the weekend. It was brutal. The worst was I had an outstanding bill I owed from a hospital trip (I thought it was paid by my insurance but it wasn’t). They actually put an embargo on my bank account so I couldn’t use it at all, and froze my payment from my teaching job.
I had to wait over 18 days to get things resolved. I called everyday and was told the guy who deals with that is on vacation sorry. It was crazy to me! They can not only freeze you bank, but also your pay. I owed 400€ and my pay was much more than the debt, but they froze it all and my account. You have to be very careful. Thankfully nothing similar has happened in years… just don’t owe the government money and update your ID and you will be fine”
Conclusion
In conclusion, according to Spainguru Facebook group members, while concerns exist regarding money seizures in Spanish bank accounts, such actions typically result from unpaid taxes or debts following a legal process.
Expats can trust that their money in Spain is safe and trust that the Spanish government by staying informed, complying with tax regulations, and maintaining good financial practices. Many expats keep some funds outside Spain and transfer what they need periodically to manage risks.
